Wednesday, February 9, 2011

Will Adam and Eve Be Resurrected?

Will Adam and Eve Be Resurrected?

This is an interesting question to ask a Jehovah’s Witness (JW). The line of reasoning used by the Watchtower Society is as follows: Since Adam and Eve sinned in perfection they have no chance of being resurrected. The Watchtower 1/15/1960 page 53 third paragraph says,

Since the supreme Judge never makes a mistake, there is no need for him to take under review any judgment that he has passed. His judgments are final. That means the people who perished in the flood of Noah’s day will never be resurrected to stand trial again. The same is true with the people of Sodom and Gomorrah as well as Adam and Eve. All had their judgment day before the great Judge of the universe and all were sentenced to destruction. They will never have a conscious existence again. ”

All of my life I have heard the above reasoning and it always made sense to me. I also have to agree that Jehovah does not make mistakes in judgment. However, as I have continued to read and study the Bible my understanding has changed a bit regarding Adam and Eve. Is it true that there is no hope for them and that they will not be resurrected? Is it possible that they cannot be forgiven? Please consider the following:

The Bible teaches that Adam and Eve were created, Adam first, then Eve. (Genesis 2:18, & 2:21-22, and 1 Timothy 2:13) Also the Bible teaches that it was to Adam that the command was given, “But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die.” (Genesis 2:17 New World Translation or NWT) This means that if Adam and Eve had never eaten from the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, and had only eaten from the other trees of the garden including the tree of life, they would still be alive to this day and we would not be born into sin as we are today. Thus far I believe that the Watchtower and most Christians would be in agreement.

As a JW when I studied with non-JW’s I was asked many times, why didn’t Adam and Eve die the very day that they ate the fruit as God said they would? I was taught to respond with the following answers. First I would say, “Adam and Eve did die Spiritually that day”. (I still believe that is true.) Then I would say, “In the Bible we are told that a day to Jehovah is as 1000 years to man,” and I would show them the Scripture in 2 Peter 3:8 which says, “However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.” (NWT) Next I would show them that Adam lived to be 930 years old, (Genesis 5:5) and I would reason based on 2 Peter 3:8 and Genesis 5:5, that Adam’s dying before he reached 1000 years old, from Jehovah’s perspective Adam died in the very day he ate from the fruit. To this day this sounds reasonable to me. However, I believe there is much more to it than this.

For many, this answer was only partially satisfying. Quite a few still wanted to know just why did Adam and Eve live so long after sinning, when they were clearly told, “for in the day you eat from it you will positively die” (Genesis 2:17) I believe that in searching for the answer to this question we will also find the answer to the title question of this article, namely, “Will Adam and Eve Be Resurrected?”

Please follow this carefully. When both Adam and Eve had sinned they realized that they were naked and they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves. (Genesis 3:7) During a conversation with God, neither Adam nor Eve wanted to take responsibility for their sin. (Genesis 3:12-13) As a result of their sin, they must suffer the consequences which ultimately is death. In Genesis 3:15 God said to the serpent: “And I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel.” (NWT) This is the first prophecy in Scripture. The beautiful thing about this is that God provides a way out of the inherited sin from Adam. This verse applies to every person who shows faith in the shed blood of Jesus. I believe this includes Adam and Eve. How can we be sure of this? Notice what happens next. God tells Adam and Eve of the immediate and long term consequences of their sin which would affect every living thing on earth. (Genesis 3:16-19)

Now we have come to an important part of this situation. Genesis 3:21 says: “And Jehovah God proceeded to make long garments of skin for Adam and for his wife and to clothe them.” Think about it for a moment. Adam and Eve were not physically naked at this time, as they had already covered themselves with fig leaves in Genesis 3:7. My question to you is, where did God get the long garments of skin from and why did God clothe them? The only logical answer is that the skin must have come from an animal. Likely a lamb. (Genesis 4:2, John 1:29) In other words, an animal (or animals, one for Adam and one for Eve) had to die or be sacrificed in order to make garments of skin. What was the purpose of an animal sacrifice? To atone for sins. (Leviticus 17:11 & Hebrews 9:22) In this way the animal sacrifices covered -- so to speak-- Adam and Eve the same as it did all of God's servants who sacrificed animals for their sins until Jesus came to officially pay the price with His blood! The skins of the lambs physically covered their bodies and the lambs blood spiritually covered their sins. For the first time in the history of the earth one of God’s creatures had to die. Our loving God chose to apply the literal lamb’s blood which temporarily covered Adam and Eve’s sins until Jesus, the Lamb of God came and shed His blood which would blot out their sin permanently! (Acts 3:19 & John 1:29)

When the Patriarchs and Prophets of old performed these sacrifices they were in essence showing their faith in God and their faith in the power of the blood of the coming Jesus. They were exercising faith and demonstrating that they believed that Jehovah accepted the blood of the animals as forgiveness for their sins. The only reasonable Biblical explanation as to why Adam and Eve did not literally die that very day is because Jehovah substituted the life of those lambs in the place of Adam and Eve! This kept Adam and Eve from having to give their lives that very day. We must understand that Jehovah’s justice must be met. This is the whole purpose of the Sanctuary service which points directly to Jesus as the Lamb of God! (Exodus 25:8 & Exodus Chapters 26-27) Something or someone had to die! Blood had to be shed so that Adam and Eve could live long enough to procreate. (Genesis 1:28) That is why the animals used for the skin must have been the temporary sacrifice which was made on the day they sinned. The sacrificial system was a way to cover sins until Jesus came and died for all. Without a doubt, Adam and Eve from this point knew about animal sacrifices for forgiveness. Otherwise, how would Abel have known that God wanted the firstlings of his flock? (Genesis 4:2-4) The answer is, Adam and Eve passed this structure of worship on to their progeny.

The Sanctuary service is a tremendous study in itself. I may cover more on this at a later time. However, the point of this article is, it seems clear that the Bible teaches that Adam and Eve will be, or at least have the potential to be resurrected into God‘s Kingdom. If Jesus came to buy back what Adam lost, then why would Jesus’ blood not cover Adam? Yes, Adam was a perfect man, but so was Jesus! Is Jesus’ blood lacking anything? Would Jesus’ blood not cover Adam and Eve if they were truly repentant? Adam not only suffered the immediate consequences of sin, but he died just as God said he would. Did Adam die the second death? Not according to the Bible because the second death occurs after the 1000 year reign. (Revelation 20:13-14)

Here are a few Scriptures that should be considered in this regard. The infamous Scripture of John 3:16 says: “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life”. (NWT) Emphasis mine.

1 Timothy 2:5-6 says: “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all—[this is] what is to be witnessed to at its own particular times“. (NWT) Emphasis mine.

John 17:1-2 Says: “Jesus spoke these things, and, raising his eyes to heaven, he said: “Father, the hour has come; glorify your son, that your son may glorify you, 2 according as you have given him authority over all flesh, that, as regards the whole [number] whom you have given him, he may give them everlasting life.” (NWT) Emphasis mine.

For the Watchtower to say that Adam and Eve will not be resurrected is to assume that they were never sorry for their sin. It also sells short the love of God and the power of the ransom sacrifice of our Lord and Savior Jesus! When Adam and Eve were ousted from the Garden of Eden and had to cultivate the land in the sweat of their faces, when they felt the physical pain caused by sin and saw the weeds, thorns and thistles growing among their beautiful surroundings, when they looked past the flaming sword and the Cherubs guarding the entrance to the beautiful Garden and saw that the tree of life was unattainable, when they witnessed the sacrifice of the lamb and saw the life blood pouring out because of what they had done, when their son Abel was murdered by his brother Cain, at one of these points if not all of them I have to believe that there was remorse and even repentance for what they had done.

Will Adam and Eve be resurrected? I believe that the evidence shows they will. I suppose when we get to the Kingdom we will find out for sure. :-)

23 comments:

  1. The witness of Adam and Eve as Jehovah's creation and recreation will be a beacon of light and truth to the love Jehovah has shown to us through His Son, the ultimate sacrafice. Jehovah's love toward us, "while we were yet sinners" is humanly impossible to comprehend! Although I am willing for Him to teach me throughout eternity!

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  2. Something to consider my brother....

    After the 1,000 year reign of Christ when mankind is again in a perfect state as was Adam and Eve and then Satan is let loose out of the abyss to tempt mankind again. Will those that follow Satan and sin in a perfect state be forgiven?

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  3. Hello Anonymous, thanks for the question. For an answer please see "What Does the Bible Really Teach? (Part 1)", within this blog. If this doesn't answer your question please let me know and perhaps we can discuss it. With Christian love,

    Mark M.

    June 11

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  4. Hello my brother,

    My question was in regards to your article about Adam and Eve possibly having a resurrection.

    I disagree with your conclusions on the grounds that those who come to perfection and are testes by Satan after Christ 1,000 year reign, who side with Satan after obtaining perfection as did Adam and Eve will not be resurrected. Likewise neither will Adam and Eve.

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  5. Hello Anonymous,  

    Please consider the following:

    First, if one believes what the Watchtower teaches about Romans 6:7, (that when we die we are acquitted of our sins) then I need for you to help me see what Scripture can be used to show that this does not apply to Adam and Eve. I do not agree with the Watchtower's interpretation of Romans 6:7 because their understanding is completely out of context with the preceding verses. The context of Romans 6:1-7 is not literal death but death to self, or in other words, "dying" to our own selfish ways. These verses are speaking of symbolically dying to our sinful nature or former course of life at baptism. When we are Baptized into Christ Jesus and we live according to Jehovah’s will, then we have "died" and are acquitted of our past sins based on Jesus’ shed blood. If you read my blog on “What Does The Bible Really Teach (part 1)” I think you will clearly see why I say what I do about this subject.

    Romans 5:18 says, “Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.” (KJV) The New World Translation uses the phrase, "men of all sorts" instead of "all men." This is a mistranslation of the Greek words, pas and anth'-ro-pos. Pas, meaning "all" or "every" and anth'-ro-pos, meaning "man" or "men." The term "men of all sorts" is not in the Greek text. Would all men exclude Adam and Eve? If so, What Scriptures support this?

    Secondly, in light of John 5:28-29 and Revelation 20:4-6 we can see that there are two resurrections. The resurrection of the righteous which occurs upon Jesus' second coming, (1 Thessalonians 4:15-16) and the resurrection of the unrighteous which comes after the 1000 years. (Revelation 20:5) This is an area where I disagree with Watchtower theology as well because they teach that during the 1000 years, people will gradually or chronologically come back to life and have another opportunity to get it right, so to speak. Where is the scriptural support for this teaching? Also, I know that JW's teach that the above cited Scripture in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 applies to the 144,000, but the 144,000 are not even mentioned in this text. How can we conclude that this is speaking of the 144,000?

    Lastly, why do we need to be “tested” in perfection? Jesus came to pay the price for sin. Was His sacrifice not sufficient for Adam and Eve? When Jesus succeeded in living a perfect life in a sinful world, the accusation that Satan made against Jehovah was proved to be wrong. To say that we have to be tested in perfection limits the power of the ransom sacrifice of our Lord Jesus. It also eliminates Jesus' role as Mediator for us. The Watchtower teaches that Jesus is Mediator for only the 144,000, not for you and I. (See Watchtower 89 8/15 30-31; & Insight vol. 2 Page 362) This teaching cannot be found in Scripture.

    We can discuss this further if you like, either here or you can email me at: (Velvetfogger at gmail dot com) I am more than willing to consider your thoughts on this subject.

    With Christian love,
    Your Brother, Mark M.

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  6. Greetings Mark,

    I would love to continue our discussion, I love discussing spiritual maters.

    The reason I disagree with you assessment of Adam and Eve and their having a resurrection is that their death was a result of disobeying God. Jehovah gave them a command to not eat from the tree, this was not a test, this was a command. "Who told you you were naked? From the tree from which I commanded you not to eat have you eaten?"(Genesis 2:16.17; Genesis 3:11; Genesis 3:17)

    Adam and Eve's outright defiance of Jehovah is what caused them their life, for Jehovah told them if they disobeyed Him they would die.(Genesis 2:17; Genesis 3:19)

    Remember Adam and Eve were never suppose to die, it was their disobedience to Jehovah that casued them their life, the ransom Jehovah then gave to mankind was because of Adam and Eve not in spite of them.

    Adam and Eve were already judged and condemned to death, this condemnation of death was then passed onto their children.(Genesis 3:19; Romans 5:12; Romans 5:18) It was the rasnom sacrifice, who was jesus Christ that then restored mankind with the right to life. Adam and Eve were already judged therefore the ransom did not extend to them.

    Jesus ransom sacrifice was for our life, not for our faith. Being tested after reaching perfection has nothing to do with the ransom sacrifice, but has to do with our obedience to Jehovah.

    These are my humble opinions on the matter.

    Your Brother,

    Sudrael

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  7. Hello Sudrael,

    I understand your points, and I - to some extent - agree with several of your points of reasoning. However, I believe that when Adam and Eve sinned, the death sentence that very day was executed on the animals (Quite possibly lambs) that were sacrificed for the skins which covered Adam and Eve. (Genesis 3:21) This temporarily "covered" their sins so that they could pro-create and bring forth the Seed which would fulfill Genesis 3:15. Through this Seed, which is Jesus Christ, all repentant men and women are forgiven. (Romans 3:21-24) I may be wrong but at this point in my studies I believe this includes Adam and Eve.

    I believe that Adam and Eve taught their children what sacrifices were acceptable to Jehovah. Cain disobeyed but Abel brought what Jehovah wanted. (Genesis 4:3-5) Adam and Eve must have passed the sacrificial system established in Genesis 3:21 on to their progeny. This continued among Jehovah's people until Jesus came and put an end to this old system of sacrifices. (Hebrews 9:23-26)

    Once again, if you believe the JW view of Romans 6:7, (Which I Don't by the way) then please show me a Scripture that says this does not apply to Adam and Eve. I respect your understanding and appreciate your thoughts on this subject.

    With Christian love,
    Your Brother, Mark M.

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  8. JEHOVAH clothed them with long clothing to attablish the proper way to dress, all i can say to you is MALACHI 3 VERSE 7 COME TO YOUR SENSES

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  9. also isaiah chapter 9 says jesus is the eternal father 1 corithians chapter 15 refers to jesus the last adam he becomes in a sense the loyal replacement father we lost. malachi 3 verse 7 return to the living god JEHOVAH

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  10. Hello my friend Anonymous, Perhaps we can agree to disagree. I do not believe that Jehovah was teaching them the proper way to dress. As I'm sure you know, Adam and Eve were not naked when Jehovah clothed them. We know this because they had fig leaves covering them. (Genesis 3:7) However, in Genesis 3:8 it says, "Later they heard the voice of Jehovah God...and the man and his wife went into hiding from the face of Jehovah..." Then in verse 10 Adam said, "Your voice I heard in the garden, but I was afraid because I was naked and so I hid myself."

    Please remember that man was created in God's image. What imagery do we see of God in Scripture? Please notice Psalm 104:1-2; "O Jehovah my God, you have proved very great. With dignity and splendor you have clothed yourself, 2 Enwrapping yourself with light as with a garment." (NWT) 1 John 1:5 says, "God is light." Also see Exodus 34:29 and John 12:35.

    In fact, the way Satan deceives us is by transforming himself into an angel of light so as to imitate God. (2 Corinthians 11:14) If you like there are many more Scriptures I can share with you to support my thoughts on this matter.

    According to Scripture I believe that Adam and eve had "glorified" perfect bodies before they sinned. However, after they sinned they lost their glorified bodies or "robes of righteousness" if you will, and perhaps figurative "garments" of light. If you can support your thoughts that this is about God showing them how to dress using Scripture, then please share this with me. I am open and willing to learn. I'm more than willing to discuss this with you further.


    Next, I agree with your second comment but please allow me to make an observation. You said, "1 Corinthians chapter 15 refers to Jesus the last Adam he becomes in a sense the loyal replacement father we lost." Might I submit that Jesus is not Just a loyal replacement as you said "in a sense" but He is the loyal sacrifice and substitute in the literal sense. Jesus is not "just" the second Adam, as Adam was from the dust of the earth but Jesus was from heaven. (1 Corinthians 15:47) Jesus is our Eternal Father (Isaiah 9:6). Our High Priest (Hebrews 4:14). Our Mediator (1 Timothy 2:5). Our Redeemer (Matthew 20:28 NWT footnote) and our Creator! (Colossians 1:16-17) This makes Jesus worthy of honor beyond what we would have given or will give to Adam. Please feel free to respond.

    Thanks for posting your comments.

    Your brother in Christ Jesus,
    Mark M.

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  11. read romans 15 verse 4 so JEHOVAH was teaching us the proper way to dress, romans 5 verse 12 because of adam we are doomed he sinned as a perfect being so he is guilty of murder of all humans. his wife was decieved whether she gets ressurected or not lies in JEHAVAHS hands 2 corinthians 11 verse 3 and 1 timothy 2 verses 11-14 she was decieved adam was not he will not, JESUS replaces him, his wife eve the bible does not say but adam is guilty as charged by JEHOVAH AS FOR EVE TIME WILL TELL as for you remember peter when others were leaveing JESUS peter said JESUS WHERE ELSE WOULD HE GO as i stated earlier MALACHI 3 VERSE 7 WAIT ON JEHOVAH FOR NEW LIGHT PROBERBS 4 VERSE 18 JESUS CAN DIRECT SLAVE AS HE CHOOSES

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    1. Dear friend,

      First, I’m genuinely open to trying to understand your point of view so please help me to see how Romans 15:4 in context has to do with God teaching Adam and Eve how to dress. At this point I can’t see the linkage. Next, you are certainly correct in saying that Adam “doomed” humans to death when he sinned. However, to say that Jesus’ blood cannot redeem Adam is to limit the power of the blood of Jesus. Scripture does not say Adam cannot be forgiven and resurrected. In fact, they strongly indicate that he will be resurrected.

      1Co 15:22 says, “For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.” (LITV) Does this exclude Adam? If so Why? Please show me Biblical evidence. Also, if you truly believe the JW teaching of Romans 6:7, (Which I do not) then you would have to accept that Adam would have be resurrected. Why do I say this? According to the JW point of view, when Adam died he would be acquitted from his sin because the Watchtower teaches that when we die our “slate” is cleaned -- so to speak. (See Watchtower’s “Bible Teach” book page 214 paragraph 3. Also, see my article within this blog entitled, “What Does the Bible Teach Part 1“) If this is not the case even according to the Watchtower, then show me what Scripture excludes Adam from this acquittal?

      In your next comment you said,

      “peter said JESUS WHERE ELSE WOULD HE GO”

      Can you show me the verse that says, “where shall we go?” Please read your Bible carefully dear friend. Likely, without realizing it you have quoted the Watchtower and not Scripture. Unfortunately this happens a lot within the organization. Please take the time to look up the verse. Peter did not say where shall we go. He said, “Lord, whom shall we go away to?” (John 6:68 NWT) The whom is Jesus!

      With Christian love,

      Mark M.

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  12. heres one for you to think about before you continue in your apostosy isaiah chapter 60 verse 22, if theres 7 billion something people in the world how many people would the true religion have answer = 7 million something do the math, are you disfellowshipped. that narrows it down alot, talk to the elders they will help you get back on track

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    1. Dear friend,

      I’m really glad that you have posted your thoughts here on this site and I welcome all of your thoughts whether you agree or disagree with me. Many of my personal JW friends really need an outlet where they can speak their mind without being told what and how to think. Please know that you can do that here without being judged by me. My love for you is unconditional regardless of what you believe.

      I may be wrong, but I sense anger in your comments. If you are angry with me may I ask why? If visiting this site angers you then perhaps you should ask yourself why? It seems to me that you are searching for something more than what you have in the organization, otherwise you wouldn’t be visiting sites like this one.

      To answer your question, no I am not disfellowshipped, but I did disassociate myself in November of 2009. A few of the reasons are found on this site but what started the ball rolling for me can be found in my letter to the governing body which you can find here:


      http://reasoningwithjws.blogspot.com/2010/05/my-letter-to-governing-body-of-jehovahs.html


      I’m happy to discuss any questions you may have for me. I would ask about you but I know that you have to guard your identity and I’m truly sorry for that. In John 8:32 Jesus said to the Jews that believed Him, “If you remain in my word, you are really my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” I have truly experienced this! My prayer for you is that you too will have the experience of Christian freedom.

      Your Brother in Christ,
      Mark M.

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  13. genesis 37 verse 23 long clothing romans 15 verse 4 think thats how JEHOVAH taught us to dress satan changed it revelation 12 verses 9 -12 come to your senses before the end if everyone gets ressurrected why would JEHOVAH clean house not trying to disrespect you but you are doomed liked adam return to JEHOVAH malachi 3 verse 7 that is what the true GOD says 2 peter 3 verse 9 thats all i have to say it is common sense only one GOD and one religion is right ephesions 4 verse 5 i am not mad at you or looking for another faith the JEHOVAHS WITNESSES RELIGION IS RIGHT people are sinners

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  14. REMEMBER ADAM WAS PERFECT, WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF JESUS SINNED THINK NO RANSOM DEATH FOR ALL ADAM WAS PERFECT HE BLEW IT AS FOR EVE IT SAYS SHE WAS DECIEVED BUT TRANSGRESSED

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  15. AND I AM NO MEMBER OF YOUR SITE ONLY TRYING TO GUIDE YOU BACK TO THE LIVING GOD JEHOVAH WHO I TRY MY BEST TO BE LOYAL TOO AND HIS SON JESUS YOU DIED LOYAL TO JEHOVAH FOR US GOOD FOR NOTHING SINNERS SO I AM NOT A MEMBER TO YOUR GOING AGAIST JEHOVAH OR HIS ORGANNIZATION OR YOUR SITE

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  16. Dear Friend,

    I appreciate your concern for me. I have the same concern for you! First, I sense that you are a little frustrated because you keep repeating yourself. As far as Joseph’s tunic of many colors is concerned, this has nothing to do with Adam and Eve being resurrected. Neither does it have to do with the clothing Adam and Eve wore after sin. Secondly, Romans 15:4 is not related to this subject either. As far as Revelation 12:9-12, I believe this completely!

    You have cited Malachi 3:7 more than once in our conversation. It seems you are missing the point to what was taking place here. The name Malachi is translated from Hebrew to mean “My Messenger.” This is very likely a shortened form of the Hebrew “Mal’akya” which literally means “Messenger of Jehovah.” Malachi was used by Jehovah to bring a message of Judgment to a people plagued with corrupt priests, wicked practices and a false sense of security in their relationship with God. They were condemned because they were not keeping all of Jehovah’s Commandments. This is very dangerous! Friend, this is my fear for Jehovah’s Witnesses. They claim to keep God’s Commandments but they only keep 9 of them. JW’s have high regard for 9 of the 10 Commandments, but a total disregard for the 4th Commandment. (Exodus 20:8-11) Please see my letter to the governing body found within this blog.

    Next, you mention 2Peter 3:9. This verse speaks of repentance. This is exactly what Malachi was preaching! As Christians we must have faith in Jesus and we must keep the Commandments of God. (See Ecclesiastes 12:13, 1John 2:2-3, 1John 5:2-3, 2John 1:6, Revelation 12:17, Revelation 14:12) You also cited Ephesians 4:5 then you tell me that JW’s have it right. I do not want to offend you but please reason on this, if the organization is not teaching people to keep ALL of the 10 Commandments, then it cannot be the “true” religion. Also, please keep in mind that the organization does not and cannot save you, neither can any organization. The only way to be saved is by faith in Jesus, and if we have true faith in Jesus we will keep ALL of God’s Commandments! (Matthew 5:17-19, Matthew 19:17, John 14:15, 21, John 15:10, 1 Corinthians 7:19)

    I ask that you prayerfully consider these things. I’m praying for you and I ask that you keep me in your prayers too!

    With Christian love,
    Your brother, Mark.

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  17. Wow! Such a passionate and in depth debate. Mark your side of this debate is similar to what I believe. That there is no "true" religion. Man created religion where as Jehovah God wanted solely a bond between He and His people. I am very interested in learning more from you. I read the KJV and the NWT Bibles. I don't believe in religion or any organization. I only want to KNOW AND LOVE AND SERVE JEHOVAH. I am far from where He wants me to be (I believe.) I am trying but it is hard. I guess my most passionate question is will Jehovah allow me to be resurrected to live in the new Eden if I still practice worldly things such as Thanksgiving, Christmas and birthdays with my family. I know and believe Jesus is the Son of God and that He was sacrificed for our sins to be cleansed should we believe in Him and practice His ways. I just get scared that me wanting to celebrate with my family or watch certain movies or music will displease Jehovah. I want to make Him proud and I want to live in His paradise He promises.

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  18. Mr. Martin,

    There are not many opportunities in life to be completely honest and sincere with another human being, to admire what they have done and appreciate the person they are. For you sir, I would like to say I admire your dedication to the JW organization and everything you gave of yourself in the service of God. AND I freely give equal praise for having the courage to question the doctrines, beliefs and practices of the JWs. Your participation in that organization must have been such an integral part of your life. To have the courage to disassociate yourself and present and defend your beliefs is something very RARE. And it must have cost you a large sense of security and a sense of lost accomplishment, but I suspect you gained an overwhelming peace and strengthened relationship with God in its place. And you react with such love and understanding. I have read over your blogs and I have never seen you lash out at a person for presenting their view point, even when they are themselves being very combative and angry. You exhibit love very openely and that is what I admire the most. You have this wealth of knowledge and you share it with clarity and love and with no restrictions on what the other person thinks.

    The reason I am posting on your site Mr. Martin is JW's have been studying with my mother for a couple of years now and they have recently started pushing her towards comitting to their organization. My mother has held off for such a long time but I see they are wearing her down and it concerns me. I am afraid she may join the JWs.

    Now the big question, Why am I worried? First let me say that the JWs that come here are some of the most kind and knowledgable people I have ever met. And they have a fierce sincerity in what they are doing. So in these regards I do not doubt them in any way. They are devoted and that is clear. And they believe they are doing God's work and that is admirable. BUT.......

    They started studying with me over the last few months and I had to tell my JWs that I could no longer study with them. And the reasons are as follows:

    They have some very narrow and strict beliefs that can NOT be supported by inspired word. I have always been raised to 'go to the bible' when you have doubts. The JW's DO go to the bible for the most part, but when it comes to defending the doctrines that make up the JW movement they go exclusively to Wathctower literature. I can't count how many times I have begged 'Show me in the bible where is says that and I will believe you' only to have them pull out a Watchtower publication and show me what a member had to say about any particular subject.

    continued...

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  19. Mark,

    Thank you for sharing your disassociation with the organization. I, too, have been studying with the JW's ever since I was a kid, but because of my sinful nature I could never bring myself to baptism with them. I feel like I was never good enough for God, but I also feel like with God I am nothing. It's not until I, truly, learned about what god's Grace really is that I was able to be free and unlearn some of the teaching of JW's. Unlearning some of these things is really hard.

    I think that it's only fair for JW's to look at both sides of any opposing view without being angry and keep an open mind just as they have taught us and criticized those who are not open mined. I notices that Most JW's are not open mined, they only want people to be open minded to their believe and their way of thinking.

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  20. Thank you all for this informative discuss. Mark thank you. I so agree with all you had t say

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  21. Mark thank you for this very informative discussion. I agree with you. If one dose not agree with JWs they will push and push to get u to seen their point. I say they are an organization not a bible base sort of church if you will. They don't teach their people the real truth about the bible, I believe they teach them what they want them to believe what the bible says., they are leading people to believe in man and not God's word. If the believe what ever a few men as they call them Elders tell them to believe, this sounds like it's not a reglion but some sort of a organization. People should go and read about the history of the JWs they will see what I've said to be true.

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